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		<title>By: Gairzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gairzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see your points.  It isn&#039;t funny, but if I don&#039;t laugh about this stuff, I&#039;d cry endlessly.  I raised three boys and they saw me do some dumb, inconsiderate, selfish stuff. But they ate, had clothes, homework help, and a ball coach their whole lives. 
 
Part of being a role model is teaching your children how to accept responsibility for your behavior.  Life will  reveal character through the lens of adversity.  How  parents deal with adversity and look to themselves as the cause of their problems shows in how their children behave. 
 
Tiger isn&#039;t letting his kids down by being a manslut; that&#039;s built in his DNA--when you add worldwide adulation and a billion dollars, it&#039;s even tougher to remain faithful. 
 
What Tiger has revealed about himself is he is a coward.  If he had called a presser and made a statement about his behavior being unacceptable and selfish, publicly apologized to his family, and apologized to his legion of fans, it would be over. 
 
All his kids and fans see is someone who hides, who buys people off so they won&#039;t tell the truth; more interested in rehabbing his image instead looking inside and dealng with himself. 
 
So sad. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see your points.  It isn&#039;t funny, but if I don&#039;t laugh about this stuff, I&#039;d cry endlessly.  I raised three boys and they saw me do some dumb, inconsiderate, selfish stuff. But they ate, had clothes, homework help, and a ball coach their whole lives. </p>
<p>Part of being a role model is teaching your children how to accept responsibility for your behavior.  Life will  reveal character through the lens of adversity.  How  parents deal with adversity and look to themselves as the cause of their problems shows in how their children behave. </p>
<p>Tiger isn&#039;t letting his kids down by being a manslut; that&#039;s built in his DNA&#8211;when you add worldwide adulation and a billion dollars, it&#039;s even tougher to remain faithful. </p>
<p>What Tiger has revealed about himself is he is a coward.  If he had called a presser and made a statement about his behavior being unacceptable and selfish, publicly apologized to his family, and apologized to his legion of fans, it would be over. </p>
<p>All his kids and fans see is someone who hides, who buys people off so they won&#039;t tell the truth; more interested in rehabbing his image instead looking inside and dealng with himself. </p>
<p>So sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate Barlow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate Barlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you.  It is disappointing to find out someone isn&#039;t who they appear to be.  But shocking that someone who has everything can be so cavalier about his relationships?  Not at all.  Sadly, it seems to go with the territory.  When one has everything--and can have everything--it unfortunately seems to be the case that said person feels entitlement and does whatever they want. 
 
And you&#039;re right, he absolutely is a role model for his family, but should not be for anybody else. 
 
Tiger does deserve to lose fans for his actions.  The degree is up to each person.  Some people probably won&#039;t care--what does that say about them?  Some will dislike him as a person and refuse to buy his memorabilia anymore, but still root for him as a golf course, divorcing Tiger the person from Tiger the golfer.  It happens all the time with the public&#039;s perceptions of movie stars and musicians; it&#039;ll happen here, too.  And then there will be those who refuse to root for him in any manner.  Fandom is different than herodom.  Athletes are not heros, but they do have fans and deserve to lose those fans based on their actions. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you.  It is disappointing to find out someone isn&#039;t who they appear to be.  But shocking that someone who has everything can be so cavalier about his relationships?  Not at all.  Sadly, it seems to go with the territory.  When one has everything&#8211;and can have everything&#8211;it unfortunately seems to be the case that said person feels entitlement and does whatever they want. </p>
<p>And you&#039;re right, he absolutely is a role model for his family, but should not be for anybody else. </p>
<p>Tiger does deserve to lose fans for his actions.  The degree is up to each person.  Some people probably won&#039;t care&#8211;what does that say about them?  Some will dislike him as a person and refuse to buy his memorabilia anymore, but still root for him as a golf course, divorcing Tiger the person from Tiger the golfer.  It happens all the time with the public&#039;s perceptions of movie stars and musicians; it&#039;ll happen here, too.  And then there will be those who refuse to root for him in any manner.  Fandom is different than herodom.  Athletes are not heros, but they do have fans and deserve to lose those fans based on their actions.</p>
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		<title>By: ernessa</title>
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		<dc:creator>ernessa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find this story deeply disappointing rather than upsetting. As the daughter of a cheater, i can tell you right now that it is no laughing matter and that it destroys families and the self-esteem of your children. So though I agree that Tiger need not be a role model for the world, he is a role model to his children and he should be ashamed that they&#039;ll have to grow up with this. For them it&#039;s not funny. 
 
And, yes, right now I would put average non-cheating men above Tiger. I think they would be right to feel superior as this is a major moral failing.  
 
And Nate, though I agree that athlete doesn&#039;t equal hero, I&#039;m no longer a fan. I don&#039;t expect the people I root for to be perfect, but I do want them to be decent people and serial cheating on the mother of your two children isn&#039;t decent.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this story deeply disappointing rather than upsetting. As the daughter of a cheater, i can tell you right now that it is no laughing matter and that it destroys families and the self-esteem of your children. So though I agree that Tiger need not be a role model for the world, he is a role model to his children and he should be ashamed that they&#039;ll have to grow up with this. For them it&#039;s not funny. </p>
<p>And, yes, right now I would put average non-cheating men above Tiger. I think they would be right to feel superior as this is a major moral failing.  </p>
<p>And Nate, though I agree that athlete doesn&#039;t equal hero, I&#039;m no longer a fan. I don&#039;t expect the people I root for to be perfect, but I do want them to be decent people and serial cheating on the mother of your two children isn&#039;t decent.</p>
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		<title>By: Gairzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gairzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think I said everyone would do it if they had a chance. &#160; 
In my experience, most women would not. &#160;Most men never get the chance. &#160;That was the point. &#160; 
All the yakkin&#039; about Tiger being a fraud and how he&#039;s let people down is mainly from guys who lack the talent, the bank account or the societal status to ever have to worry about turning down super models or porn stars--and/or by women who haven&#039;t had new knockers, can&#039;t afford a weekly waxing or manicure and don&#039;t have time to spend four hours a day at the gym. 
Most of us can&#039;t wrap our minds around the lifestyle many of these &quot;elite&quot; people live. 
To superimpose &quot;normal&quot; values and expectations on people who can trek off to St. Kitts if they get a hangnail is comical but a perfect reflection of American society. 
We love the &quot;drama&quot; when the beautiful people fail. &#160;Then we wait for the interview on Oprah or the press conference where the penitent sap cries for forgiveness and the humiliated wife stands by in her designer outfit wearing a hamburger-sized diamond on her hand. 
It&#039;s easier than having to contact our congress people and demandi they support a public option. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t think I said everyone would do it if they had a chance. &nbsp;<br />
In my experience, most women would not. &nbsp;Most men never get the chance. &nbsp;That was the point. &nbsp;<br />
All the yakkin&#039; about Tiger being a fraud and how he&#039;s let people down is mainly from guys who lack the talent, the bank account or the societal status to ever have to worry about turning down super models or porn stars&#8211;and/or by women who haven&#039;t had new knockers, can&#039;t afford a weekly waxing or manicure and don&#039;t have time to spend four hours a day at the gym.<br />
Most of us can&#039;t wrap our minds around the lifestyle many of these &quot;elite&quot; people live.<br />
To superimpose &quot;normal&quot; values and expectations on people who can trek off to St. Kitts if they get a hangnail is comical but a perfect reflection of American society.<br />
We love the &quot;drama&quot; when the beautiful people fail. &nbsp;Then we wait for the interview on Oprah or the press conference where the penitent sap cries for forgiveness and the humiliated wife stands by in her designer outfit wearing a hamburger-sized diamond on her hand.<br />
It&#039;s easier than having to contact our congress people and demandi they support a public option.</p>
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		<title>By: Gairzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gairzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think I said everyone would do it if they had a chance.   
 
In my experience, most women would not.  Most men never get the chance.  That was the point.   
 
All the yakkin&#039; about Tiger being a fraud and how he&#039;s let people down is mainly from guys who lack the talent, the bank account or the societal status to ever have to worry about turning down super models or porn stars--and/or by women who haven&#039;t had new knockers, can&#039;t afford a weekly waxing or manicure and don&#039;t have time to spend four hours a day at the gym. 
 
Most of us can&#039;t wrap our minds around the lifestyle many of these &quot;elite&quot; people live. 
 
To superimpose &quot;normal&quot; values and expectations on people who can trek off to St. Kitts if they get a hangnail is comical but a perfect reflection of American society. 
 
We love the &quot;drama&quot; when the beautiful people fail.  Then we wait for the interview on Oprah or the press conference where the penitent sap cries for forgiveness and the humiliated wife stands by in her designer outfit wearing a hamburger-sized diamond on her hand. 
 
It&#039;s easier than having to contact our congress people and demanding they support a public option. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t think I said everyone would do it if they had a chance.   </p>
<p>In my experience, most women would not.  Most men never get the chance.  That was the point.   </p>
<p>All the yakkin&#039; about Tiger being a fraud and how he&#039;s let people down is mainly from guys who lack the talent, the bank account or the societal status to ever have to worry about turning down super models or porn stars&#8211;and/or by women who haven&#039;t had new knockers, can&#039;t afford a weekly waxing or manicure and don&#039;t have time to spend four hours a day at the gym. </p>
<p>Most of us can&#039;t wrap our minds around the lifestyle many of these &quot;elite&quot; people live. </p>
<p>To superimpose &quot;normal&quot; values and expectations on people who can trek off to St. Kitts if they get a hangnail is comical but a perfect reflection of American society. </p>
<p>We love the &quot;drama&quot; when the beautiful people fail.  Then we wait for the interview on Oprah or the press conference where the penitent sap cries for forgiveness and the humiliated wife stands by in her designer outfit wearing a hamburger-sized diamond on her hand. </p>
<p>It&#039;s easier than having to contact our congress people and demanding they support a public option.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne O</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzanne O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what folks are railing so much against is the carefully crafted image of the family man that&#039;s been shown to be full of shit. I don&#039;t think anyone&#039;s crafting Derek Jeter out to be a &quot;good guy.&quot; Mostly, it&#039;s a reaction to the hypocrisy created by the image-makers. Why folks believe the image-makers in the first place is another discussion, I suppose.  
 
But by the over-sized attention to this story, I&#039;m beginning to think this is all an orchestrated distraction from the real news going on. I mean, plenty of folks would have known about Tiger&#039;s affairs. Info held until the &quot;right&quot; time, I&#039;m starting to think.  
 
However, to your main point ... everyone would do it if they had the chance ... I don&#039;t agree. There are people for whom random sex is not a driving interest, especially when it&#039;s always and constantly an option. Some people are simply not wired like that. It gets old, loses its excitement if it&#039;s always there. They&#039;ve got other stuff to do. Not saying they&#039;re common, just that they&#039;re out there.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what folks are railing so much against is the carefully crafted image of the family man that&#039;s been shown to be full of shit. I don&#039;t think anyone&#039;s crafting Derek Jeter out to be a &quot;good guy.&quot; Mostly, it&#039;s a reaction to the hypocrisy created by the image-makers. Why folks believe the image-makers in the first place is another discussion, I suppose.  </p>
<p>But by the over-sized attention to this story, I&#039;m beginning to think this is all an orchestrated distraction from the real news going on. I mean, plenty of folks would have known about Tiger&#039;s affairs. Info held until the &quot;right&quot; time, I&#039;m starting to think.  </p>
<p>However, to your main point &#8230; everyone would do it if they had the chance &#8230; I don&#039;t agree. There are people for whom random sex is not a driving interest, especially when it&#039;s always and constantly an option. Some people are simply not wired like that. It gets old, loses its excitement if it&#039;s always there. They&#039;ve got other stuff to do. Not saying they&#039;re common, just that they&#039;re out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate Barlow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate Barlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What have we said previously on Deep Into Sports?  Athletes are not heroes (unless they&#039;ve done something else to warrant hero status, such as serve their country).  A corollary of that statement: athletes are not role models! 
 
That anybody is surprised scream of naivete or disingenuousness. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What have we said previously on Deep Into Sports?  Athletes are not heroes (unless they&#039;ve done something else to warrant hero status, such as serve their country).  A corollary of that statement: athletes are not role models! </p>
<p>That anybody is surprised scream of naivete or disingenuousness.</p>
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